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what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget. bill: can that idea move forward do you think. >> it makes a lot more sense. the republicans have a lot more leverage there and they don't run the risk and the president can't portray them at that point as being willing to default on the full faith and credit of the united states and sink the economy, and have credit ratings dropped and things like that. this is in a sense it's a flip of what happened with the fiscal cliff where one way or another taxes were going to go up on the rich was the bush tax cuts were going to expire. here there are going to be spending cuts that kick in on march 1st, so
what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget....
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i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his initiatives and they kind of stopped him in his tracks. he can't do very much over there. if you resist him i am not sure that's true on guns, bill. gun control has been a dangerous issue for democrats. may be a womell bring if hemay unpopular if something isn't done. i don't think he's going to propose very much on gun control. on immigration they have a sense that the hispanic vote was important it was help will to obama this type around. >> it looks reasonable in that. colin powell used to be a republican. i don't think he is any longer. however he has not changed as far as we know. he made very s
i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his...
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get rid of the debt ceiling all together. that's the limit on how much money the government can borrow. the feds say they could run out of money to pay the bills as soon as next month but republicans refuse to raise the debt limit without new spending cuts. doug mckelway is life on capitol hill. what is the plan from these house democrats? good evening. >> well, bill, they introduced legislation today that would basically amend the statute. the law that put the debt ceiling in place in the first place. it would do so by removing the cap on the treasury of borrowing money. its chances of passage in the republican controlled house are basically slim and none. but at least it allows democrats to paint the republicans as extremists in their desire to attach the debt ceiling to spending cuts. and that's exactly what congressman gerald nadler democrat of new york did today along with other democrats, listen up. >> the intent on blackmailing the country. they say to us if you do not agree to massive cuts to social security, medicare
get rid of the debt ceiling all together. that's the limit on how much money the government can borrow. the feds say they could run out of money to pay the bills as soon as next month but republicans refuse to raise the debt limit without new spending cuts. doug mckelway is life on capitol hill. what is the plan from these house democrats? good evening. >> well, bill, they introduced legislation today that would basically amend the statute. the law that put the debt ceiling in place in...
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debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these problems long term. jenna. jenna: mike, if we're hearing this, then the white house is probably hearing this as well. any reaction from the white house about potentially this plan from republicans? report or the jenna, --. >> reporter: jenna white house officials are saying if congress doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling they should authority rise president obama to do it himself. they should extend it so it doesn't cause concern for the economy and global markets. >> longstanding tradition for the congress to raise the debt ceiling. this is power they have given themselves, the point is without delay. a
debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these...
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we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills, using borrowed money to pay its bills. that credit card will never be paid off and the balance on it will never be paid down. that is dead beat behavior and that should be pointed out. by using that expression, the president is talk down america. we stand not as tall in the eyes of the world when the president uses that kind of language. >> gretchen: could it also be he was talking down to republicans because he thinks right now that he has the majority of the american people on his side? to me, his words, whether or not they're true, resonate with some americans because he simplifies his message and d
we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills,...
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rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, socia
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment...
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ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes that the american people may be saddled with. stu varney is varney and company on the fox business network. they're not the majority in the house, but there is he' a push to make them the majority in the house. and president obama is reportedly maneuvering in a lot of ways, politically now to try to set the democrats up to retake control of the house and there's a question about whether as soon as 2014, if they get their way, they're going to get rid of the debt ceiling. what would that do? >> what they want is unlimited borrowing by the administration so the treasury can say, i want to borrow, this, this, this,
ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes...
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the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this would be completely by choice -- for people who don't want to pick this public option, among the private sector choices within a health exchange, and rates for premiums are estimated to be about 5 to 7% lower, meaning those people in the exchange that needed a subsidy would take fewer tax dollars and it is also estimated that it would serve as an anchor, because there's competition, to bring down the cost of health care, even in the private sector as well. >> when is the government -- when is the government ever done that? with george bush'
the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this...
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president, what's the deal with the debt? i've been hearing a lot about the debt ceiling. what's my family's share? i'm just a kid. when i'm a grownup, i understand it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. could you guys please cut spending now? >> brian: if you want to know if that is going to happen today, see if rand paul's grandson will be in there or somebody like that. if there's a republican child or michael j. fox's character, michael keating. >> gretchen: that would be a good one. let's talk about what the new york state has done now and governor cuomo. he immediately went on the attack to try and pass very expansive gun law legislation because many people are saying he wants to run for president next time around and he also was very concerned about the issue. but some people are saying this morning that what they passed last night is full of holes. we want to show you a graphic of a particular kind of weapon that has been banned, a rifle. this is a baneli 1 rifle. the reason it's banned is because you can see how you hold on to the gun there. that's called a
president, what's the deal with the debt? i've been hearing a lot about the debt ceiling. what's my family's share? i'm just a kid. when i'm a grownup, i understand it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. could you guys please cut spending now? >> brian: if you want to know if that is going to happen today, see if rand paul's grandson will be in there or somebody like that. if there's a republican child or michael j. fox's character, michael keating. >> gretchen: that would be...
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he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state of california, arnold schwarzenegger. good morning to you. >> good morning. nice to be here again. >> brian: he sends a warning to the republicans should they back off or take on the president? >> first of all, i think i find it interesting that when you want to have more money, if you go to any financial institution, they say look, i can't pay my bills, i need more money. they want to see their payment plan. how are you going to live responsible from here on? then you can get more money. so i don't understand that why this should not be a part of the discussion because it ought to be. i think ameri
he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state...
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congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our bills. congress has two choices here. we can act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. jenna: republicans like congressman jason chaffetz blasting back against the president. >> i think the president was terribly irresponsible today. to say he will not talk about it because he is above it, but blame all of congress, in part congress helped create this problem but we are going to hear to solve this pr
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>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman acknowledges the need to raise the debt ceiling, but he supports the context of getting a handle on the spenning. >> shepard: this is disaster relief for victims of super storm sand gee right. we have had plenty of lawmakers saying we need to get a handle on government spending, but not when people are waiting for major disaster relief money. a key new jersey democrat is saying people from new york, new jersey and connecticut pay their fair share. three state, 16% of the taxes. you ask the question: who suffered because of super storm sandy? certai
>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the...
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the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's plan to bring down spending dollar for dollar makes a lot of sense and i think pat toomey's does. you don't want to cut very things most critical to the u.s. there is lot of garbage spending in government, believe me, bill, when i say that. why would you make the critical spending the first things you're going to cut except just to hold the country hostage. that is what the democrats are threatening. it doesn't make sense. bill: do you think republicans can win on either option? >> if they do it carefully, slowly and comfortably, yes i do think they ca
the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's...
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. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he appoints a commission two years later he ignore it is. he never talked about structural cuts or entitlements. he wants the entitlement states if you want a european entitlement state you need taxation. his strategy is to split, fracture and therefore neuter the republicans in the house. that is all that stands between him and total dominance in washington in his second term. he wants a return to 2009 and 2010 when he had control of both houses he had a super majority in the senate huge majority in the house and revolutionized healthcare and hugest spending in galactic histo
. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he...
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we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whatever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has been down graded as a result of it? >> i remember as a kid i don't know elementary school or junior high when bewere talking about the debt it was something like 4 trillion. and our teachers asked us to wrap our heads around that number. try wrapping your head around 16 trillion. i just can't imagine. to pay that down how many years that would take. even with being smart with government spending. >> it's larger than our entire economy just to put it in some scale here. >> that's a problem. yeah. i remember when i was a kid going to the gas station and thinking wow why the t
we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whatever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has...
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to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior political analyst. brit hume. good evening. >> hi, bret. >> the house republicans are not wrong to seek spending cut to allow borrowing by a treasury more than $16 trillion in debt. but in politics it's not enough to be right. you need to be effective. it requires recognition that politics is a team sport and being united is critical. this is true if the party controls one house of congress and the other party not only has the other one but the white house as well. consider what happened in the recent fiscal cliff end game. taxes were set to go up by law on january 1. some h
to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior...
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and the credit agencies say they are going to lower our ratings but not because of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things. i'm going to continue to cosponsor senator haopl me's plan. we have a spending problem in this country. they know it in wyoming, families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming. it's time for this senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and specifically the wasteful spending that continues. in the last hour stewart varney and martha talked about some of the abuses that continue to go on. people know that their tax dollars are being wasted. we need to get the spending under control. bill: two days ago brit hume told us this w
and the credit agencies say they are going to lower our ratings but not because of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things....
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>> he already said he doesn't think anything should be tied to the debt ceiling. it's something you shouldn't play with the full faith and credit of the united states. what is interesting about this, coming out of the republican retreat that just occurred, there are some republicans within the republican house, republican caucus who actually agree with him on the sense that you don't play with the debt ceiling as the point to which to make cuts. there are other issues coming up like the continuing resolution and sequester cuts where they would like to make their last stand there for cutting getting spending cuts and allow on temporary extension without not much attached to it. >> heather: let's talk about the economy. the president starts his new term. less than 1% rate it as excellent. 9% say it's good shape. that is up a touch from his first inauguration but 91% of voters say economic conditions negatively today. why are we here again? >> you have to wonder. i point you back to november the conditions haven't changed all that much in two months. i would imagine
>> he already said he doesn't think anything should be tied to the debt ceiling. it's something you shouldn't play with the full faith and credit of the united states. what is interesting about this, coming out of the republican retreat that just occurred, there are some republicans within the republican house, republican caucus who actually agree with him on the sense that you don't play with the debt ceiling as the point to which to make cuts. there are other issues coming up like the...
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the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a lot of us thought that, including me. well he won. this president may now have the view that he can defy political gravity and if the economy doesn't get a lot bet and it limps along at its anemic rate of growth his party can survive all that and he can go forward with an aggressive a skwrepbd today, he really does have a bigger mandate than you would think looking at the vote totals that he has, he has the republicans on defense and it's time to go for it, and if they buck him they will be the ones that pay the price in the mid-term elections in two years putting him in an even str
the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a...